1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:12,859 --> 00:00:09,369 [Applause] 3 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:12,869 good morning my name is Tai Casas I'm 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:14,910 here from Pasadena on behalf of honeybee 5 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:16,410 robotics the exploration technologies 6 00:00:21,589 --> 00:00:19,199 group chrissa's in Greenland so I'm 7 00:00:23,529 --> 00:00:21,599 doing the talk instead of him so today 8 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:23,539 I'm going to be talking to you about a 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:25,500 conceptual design of a probe for 10 00:00:30,259 --> 00:00:28,410 penetrating through Europa's crust this 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:30,269 is an exercise in architecting a 12 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:31,890 solution that is just out of reach of 13 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:35,070 current technologies and but but those 14 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:36,600 technologies are just on the horizon so 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:37,980 it allows us to look ahead and sort of 16 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:39,930 direct our development efforts as we 17 00:00:45,139 --> 00:00:42,180 move forward so here you can see a 18 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:45,149 section view of this conceptual vehicle 19 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:47,640 it is literally built around the probe 20 00:00:54,250 --> 00:00:50,910 the probe is a 5 meter long 60 21 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:54,260 centimeter diameter self-contained 22 00:00:59,470 --> 00:00:56,550 vehicle essentially for going through 23 00:01:02,119 --> 00:00:59,480 the 15 kilometers of ice the fundamental 24 00:01:04,279 --> 00:01:02,129 approach is a thermal mechanical 25 00:01:08,690 --> 00:01:04,289 approach for drilling through the crust 26 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:08,700 of the the crust of the surface so about 27 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:10,800 that crust as you guys all know because 28 00:01:14,740 --> 00:01:12,000 you're in the ocean world's technology 29 00:01:17,419 --> 00:01:14,750 section there are three different layers 30 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:17,429 the brittle layer the ductile layer and 31 00:01:21,559 --> 00:01:19,500 the ocean and while we don't really know 32 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:21,569 how thick the ice is exactly and it 33 00:01:26,089 --> 00:01:24,360 varies over the surface we estimate 34 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:26,099 about 15 kilometers although it could be 35 00:01:30,199 --> 00:01:27,750 as much as about 40 kilometers thick of 36 00:01:32,270 --> 00:01:30,209 ice so there are some considerable 37 00:01:33,889 --> 00:01:32,280 challenges with getting through this ice 38 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:33,899 crust as you can imagine the first one 39 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:35,759 being how the heck do you even get 40 00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:38,399 through 15 kilometers of ice I don't 41 00:01:43,219 --> 00:01:40,080 know if I drill long enough to do that 42 00:01:44,839 --> 00:01:43,229 and then also how do you power the probe 43 00:01:46,729 --> 00:01:44,849 as it's going through the ice how do you 44 00:01:48,290 --> 00:01:46,739 make sure that it has energy as it 45 00:01:50,089 --> 00:01:48,300 drills and then finally how do you 46 00:01:51,589 --> 00:01:50,099 communicate with it on its journey so 47 00:01:53,570 --> 00:01:51,599 how do you make sure that you can get 48 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:53,580 telemetry back and get science back etc 49 00:01:58,430 --> 00:01:55,619 so this talk is going to be focused on 50 00:01:59,869 --> 00:01:58,440 how to penetrate through or a drilling 51 00:02:03,260 --> 00:01:59,879 and sampling company so this is sort of 52 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:03,270 our core competency but yeah so let's 53 00:02:06,199 --> 00:02:04,410 start with a couple different deep 54 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:06,209 drilling approaches this is a pretty 55 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:08,250 dense chart but I'm gonna have you focus 56 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:10,679 on slush which is obviously the subject 57 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:12,690 of my presentation it combines some of 58 00:02:19,009 --> 00:02:16,620 the pros of the two main different types 59 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:19,019 of penetrating through ice mechanical 60 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:20,640 which is drilling like you have at your 61 00:02:23,260 --> 00:02:21,950 household drill and thermal 62 00:02:25,210 --> 00:02:23,270 which is basically taking something 63 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:25,220 super hot and just pushing it through 64 00:02:32,140 --> 00:02:29,120 the ice so the the sort of issues with 65 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:32,150 thermal of having trouble penetrating 66 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:33,560 through things that it can't melt 67 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:36,230 through obviously are of concern because 68 00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:38,750 there are salts in the ice there are 69 00:02:42,729 --> 00:02:40,400 salt layers we may come across like 70 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:42,739 different sedimentation stuff like that 71 00:02:46,509 --> 00:02:45,200 but it's really robust and it's nice 72 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:46,519 because you don't have a lot of moving 73 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:48,080 parts whereas on the mechanical side you 74 00:02:50,589 --> 00:02:49,400 have a lot of moving parts you need 75 00:02:52,119 --> 00:02:50,599 rotary percussive we're talking about 76 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:52,129 drilling for something like three years 77 00:02:58,839 --> 00:02:54,489 so you need a system that's like pretty 78 00:03:00,729 --> 00:02:58,849 last for a pretty long time and what we 79 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:00,739 tried to do was take some of the things 80 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:02,360 from the best of both worlds and combine 81 00:03:06,910 --> 00:03:04,640 them into a single architecture so we 82 00:03:08,890 --> 00:03:06,920 approach this by doing sort of a 83 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:08,900 scaled-down version of the probe testing 84 00:03:12,789 --> 00:03:11,120 this is a picture of the instrumented 85 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:12,799 drilling testbed that we use you may 86 00:03:17,170 --> 00:03:15,290 recognize that drill from an early as an 87 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:17,180 earlier TRL version of the Arad's drill 88 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:18,290 that's popped up in a couple other 89 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:21,670 posters around here and essentially we 90 00:03:29,020 --> 00:03:26,510 designed a probe that is about 18 mean 91 00:03:30,940 --> 00:03:29,030 18 inches long the first four inches of 92 00:03:34,330 --> 00:03:30,950 which is a rotating drill bit with an 93 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:34,340 auger and then the last 14 inches is the 94 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:36,290 cylinder behind it is on bearing so that 95 00:03:39,340 --> 00:03:37,609 it doesn't rotate through the ice so the 96 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:39,350 idea is that simulates the sort of 97 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:41,630 rotating cutting head at the front of 98 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:44,810 the probe and the stationary body that 99 00:03:48,660 --> 00:03:46,400 holds things like avionics and the 100 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:48,670 tether and whatnot that follows behind 101 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:51,290 I'm going to show you two videos I just 102 00:03:53,979 --> 00:03:52,730 learned that actually I rotated the 103 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:53,989 videos the wrong direction so they're 104 00:03:59,979 --> 00:03:55,970 gonna pop up sideways but bear with me 105 00:04:01,840 --> 00:03:59,989 here um on the left is a video of yeah 106 00:04:04,270 --> 00:04:01,850 that's that's a that's one way of doing 107 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:04,280 it on the left is a video of sloshing 108 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:08,870 through ice at 240 C 240 Kelvin scuse me 109 00:04:13,089 --> 00:04:11,720 it is just water ice this is how we sort 110 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:13,099 of did a lot of our baseline tests I'm 111 00:04:16,870 --> 00:04:14,540 going to replay that for you and what I 112 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:16,880 want you to know is how watery it is so 113 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:19,280 this is sort of a flushing approach that 114 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:22,039 favors the thermal side of things so 115 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:23,360 when you're actually melting most of the 116 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:25,310 chips that you generate this is nice 117 00:04:28,330 --> 00:04:27,050 because it handles the chip transport 118 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:28,340 issues that you have when you have to 119 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:30,289 like actively move dried chips from the 120 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:31,580 front to the back of the probe and 121 00:04:34,630 --> 00:04:33,200 recompress them but it's obviously not 122 00:04:35,220 --> 00:04:34,640 very energy-efficient because you're 123 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:35,230 just melting 124 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:36,790 in the same way that you would with a 125 00:04:43,020 --> 00:04:40,690 mel probe so this other video also 126 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:43,030 sideways is a much better balanced 127 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:45,250 version of the thermal and mechanical 128 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:47,590 power so you're only partially melting 129 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:49,330 the chips so it helps facilitate the 130 00:04:52,410 --> 00:04:50,950 transport along the probe you actually 131 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:52,420 can take advantage of the environmental 132 00:04:55,290 --> 00:04:53,890 conditions to refreeze to the same 133 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:55,300 density behind you so you don't get 134 00:04:59,280 --> 00:04:57,340 stuck however you don't use nearly as 135 00:05:02,490 --> 00:04:59,290 much energy to actually get through all 136 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:02,500 of the all of the material so sort of at 137 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:04,330 a high level um we wanted to do 138 00:05:07,860 --> 00:05:06,640 apples-to-apples testing saying what is 139 00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:07,870 the difference between just melting 140 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:10,360 flushing with a more optimized system 141 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:12,820 and just drilling so you can see the 142 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:14,230 difference in the kind of chips that we 143 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:15,880 make on the left you can see the big 144 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:17,860 puddle of water that comes from just 145 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:19,360 melting so this was turning on heat on 146 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:21,580 the drill not rotating in the center is 147 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:23,920 the combination from a reasonably well 148 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:25,390 balanced slushing just and on the right 149 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:27,970 is a pure drilling test so drilling as 150 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:30,310 you would normally with no he you can 151 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:31,960 see how powdery those cuttings are how 152 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:34,360 they bind up actually that caused us to 153 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:36,880 get stuck only shortly after the probe 154 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:38,410 body entered the ice because we weren't 155 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:39,850 actively transporting chips that's sort 156 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:41,530 of what we anticipated and the problem 157 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:43,140 we're trying to solve with the solution 158 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:47,200 so this is a chart that summarizes the 159 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:50,320 testing that we've done so far so each 160 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:52,390 of these groups of three bars represents 161 00:05:55,890 --> 00:05:54,250 a different method the bar on the left 162 00:05:57,750 --> 00:05:55,900 is the specific energy which is 163 00:06:00,180 --> 00:05:57,760 essentially how much energy per cc you 164 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:00,190 need to excavate some of the ice the bar 165 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:02,470 in the middle is the power so the power 166 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:04,450 consumption and then on the right is our 167 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:06,940 AP or rate of penetration so you can see 168 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:08,800 that to draw your attention to the 169 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:10,450 leftmost bars first we're looking at 170 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:12,130 approximately an order of magnitude 171 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:14,200 difference between the specific energies 172 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:16,840 of melting slushing and drilling note 173 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:18,460 that the y-axis on the left is 174 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:20,140 logarithmic and the y-axis on the right 175 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:22,240 is linear it was the best way of 176 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:25,150 condensing us into one chart so you can 177 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:26,020 see the sort of order of magnitude 178 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:28,720 differences in the specific energy but 179 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:30,340 you also will notice how the power 180 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:31,870 difference between melting and slushing 181 00:06:36,030 --> 00:06:34,270 really isn't all that different so why 182 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:36,040 is that how can we have such lower power 183 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:38,200 I'm coming up such lower energy than we 184 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:39,940 can that when we're using some more 185 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:41,890 power it's because we go way faster so 186 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:43,390 we were penetrating through ice maybe 187 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:45,280 five to 10 times faster because we have 188 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:47,260 this active drilling approach so we just 189 00:06:50,850 --> 00:06:48,760 need less energy overall 190 00:06:53,460 --> 00:06:50,860 and you can see that on the right the 191 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:53,470 drilling specific energy is even lower 192 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:55,450 by about another order of magnitude and 193 00:06:59,310 --> 00:06:57,130 it's because we can go super super fast 194 00:07:00,960 --> 00:06:59,320 when the whole drill is spinning so when 195 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:00,970 the whole probe is turning in ice and 196 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:02,800 excavating chips we can move really 197 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:05,440 quick but the issue of course is you can 198 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:06,880 tell by the Asterix next to drilling 199 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:08,530 the issue of course is that we don't 200 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:10,720 handle the chips so once you create all 201 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:12,730 this fluffy powder there's like what we 202 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:14,620 call a fluff factor basically how much 203 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:16,450 more the volume of the Powder consumes 204 00:07:20,850 --> 00:07:18,820 than the actual bulk material and it's 205 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:20,860 bigger I mean powders fluffier than ice 206 00:07:24,750 --> 00:07:23,260 so you need to make sure that behind the 207 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:24,760 probe when these chips move past you 208 00:07:30,750 --> 00:07:26,230 your recompressing to the same density 209 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:30,760 or you basically get stuck and so we saw 210 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:32,650 the slushing as a nice sort of balance 211 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:35,920 between both the approaches of thermal 212 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:38,200 and mechanical drilling as well as the 213 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:39,760 power consumptions between the two of 214 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:42,970 them so this is a sort of section view 215 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:44,860 of the probe at a very high level I'm 216 00:07:49,140 --> 00:07:46,060 just going to point out a couple things 217 00:07:51,870 --> 00:07:49,150 the bottom of the probe in the hot 218 00:07:54,390 --> 00:07:51,880 section is what it is where we have a 219 00:07:57,330 --> 00:07:54,400 killer power reactor baselined for the 220 00:07:58,860 --> 00:07:57,340 baseline for the mission the rear part 221 00:08:00,630 --> 00:07:58,870 where the avionics and tether and 222 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:00,640 batteries live is cold they're separated 223 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:03,490 by a radiation shield you can see that 224 00:08:08,310 --> 00:08:05,950 we also have these detachable tether 225 00:08:09,750 --> 00:08:08,320 spools with wireless communication at 226 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:09,760 the back of the probe so the idea is 227 00:08:14,490 --> 00:08:13,030 that if we come across as we're spooling 228 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:14,500 out if we come across something like a 229 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:16,420 water body or whatever we can detach and 230 00:08:20,940 --> 00:08:18,730 use acoustic or RF instead of sorry we 231 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:20,950 can use acoustic instead of just a 232 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:22,630 tether to sort of make it across and 233 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:24,760 that way if we see like shifting of the 234 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:26,020 ice crust or something like that we can 235 00:08:29,630 --> 00:08:27,760 screw leave a tether where it is use 236 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:29,640 wireless to jump between two repeaters 237 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:31,630 but since that's not the point of my 238 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:33,670 talk right now I'm going to jump into a 239 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:36,580 little promo video that we made to try 240 00:08:59,430 --> 00:08:37,930 and get people excited about this 241 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:16,760 [Music] 242 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:25,950 and then finally the reason I'm up here 243 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:28,030 and Chris isn't is because he is 244 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:30,280 currently in Greenland testing a 245 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:32,110 prototype of the slush system so this is 246 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:34,510 a version of it that's actually a coring 247 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:36,460 drill instead of a full slushing so it's 248 00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:38,230 pure mechanical and they're removing the 249 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:39,820 cores every time they drill down the 250 00:09:43,140 --> 00:09:41,470 certain depth I'm so slightly different 251 00:09:44,670 --> 00:09:43,150 architecture but the self-contained 252 00:09:48,390 --> 00:09:44,680 probe idea and a lot of the technologies 253 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:48,400 are pretty analogous and they drilled on 254 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:50,080 June 14th actually just the other day 255 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:52,210 they made it down to 111 meters deep in 256 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:54,880 in Greenland ice and this is them on the 257 00:10:00,180 --> 00:09:57,640 bottom righthand celebrating with a hot 258 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:00,190 toddy made with some old ice cores so in 259 00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:04,780 conclusion so in conclusion there is a 260 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:07,480 bunch of reasons why mechanical and 261 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:09,070 thermal have advantages in terms of 262 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:11,560 robustness and in terms of complexity 263 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:13,660 and in terms of the materials that they 264 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:15,460 can cut through but we really think that 265 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:18,460 moving forward with slush is a good is a 266 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:20,560 good is a good high-level approach as we 267 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:22,570 start to conceptualize what a probe that 268 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:24,040 would be able to go through 15 269 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:27,160 kilometers of cryogenic and warm ice on 270 00:10:33,270 --> 00:10:29,040 Europa would actually have to look like 271 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:33,280 so with that I'd like to open it up to 272 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:40,930 any questions thanks Dino we've got a 273 00:10:53,490 --> 00:10:43,090 time for a question if you want to come 274 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:53,500 to the microphone we did it in about I 275 00:11:00,330 --> 00:10:55,570 think it was 5 days from when we started 276 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:00,340 drilling I don't think they were working 277 00:11:15,850 --> 00:11:02,230 24/7 though so I can't actually tell you 278 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:18,170 what difference is would it make when 279 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:20,100 you operate in vacuum this is the bottom 280 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:20,430 line 281 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:22,500 ah that's a really good question so at 282 00:11:26,540 --> 00:11:24,450 the surface obviously the whole starting 283 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:26,550 is of challenge because you sublimate 284 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:29,010 all everything that you know and on 285 00:11:33,019 --> 00:11:30,800 Europa that would mean that we have to 286 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:33,029 before we can start slushing and sort of 287 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:35,279 make taking advantage of this transport 288 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:37,230 method we would have to get fully buried 289 00:11:40,819 --> 00:11:38,850 and ice so you would have to have the 290 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:40,829 top of the borehole crl over us 291 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:43,260 essentially once we're inside that's a 292 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,240 challenge that we are looking into right 293 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:47,519 now actually with these slush prototypes 294 00:11:51,530 --> 00:11:50,250 we are trying to figure out do some 295 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:51,540 testing in our Mars chamber we have this 296 00:11:54,650 --> 00:11:53,279 like cool like five meter chamber and 297 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:54,660 we're gonna pump it down and see what 298 00:11:57,290 --> 00:11:56,279 happens when you start when you start 299 00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:57,300 drilling there's also a lot of 300 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:58,800 challenges with a hole starting in terms 301 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:00,420 of thermal management and how you make 302 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:01,529 sure that you're actually directing as 303 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:03,149 much of the heat into the ice as 304 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:04,620 possible instead of just radiating out 305 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:09,750 the sides yeah last question do you need 306 00:12:14,329 --> 00:12:12,300 to drill with the gravity vector or can 307 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:14,339 you drill up like to these technology 308 00:12:22,449 --> 00:12:16,110 require the weight of the trailer um 309 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:22,459 that's also a very good question so this 310 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:25,320 the technology this technology requires 311 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:27,510 the gravity vector because we don't have 312 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:31,170 active transport in Lachie however these 313 00:12:34,370 --> 00:12:32,880 anti torque features these anti torque 314 00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:34,380 blades that I talked about that sort of 315 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:36,420 a counteract the rotational forces of 316 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:40,050 the auger um can be active as well as 317 00:12:43,910 --> 00:12:42,089 passive and so for example the drill 318 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:43,920 that we just tested in Greenland has an 319 00:12:48,829 --> 00:12:46,170 active feed stage so while we can't 320 00:12:50,510 --> 00:12:48,839 steer so maybe looping around would be 321 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:50,520 pretty difficult if we started upside 322 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:51,600 down there isn't a reason that we 323 00:12:54,769 --> 00:12:52,890 wouldn't be able to just lift ourselves 324 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:54,779 forward essentially it depends on 325 00:12:59,180 --> 00:12:56,370 whether or not the anti torque features 326 00:13:01,069 --> 00:12:59,190 glide in rails so you're just leaning 327 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:01,079 forward on the bit or whether or not 328 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:02,910 you're actually actively engaging with 329 00:13:08,569 --> 00:13:04,470 the borehole walls and stabilizing 330 00:13:11,410 --> 00:13:08,579 yourself to push forward all right let's 331 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:11,420 think tie for a great presentation